1 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:05,120 good afternoon thank you for joining us 2 00:00:09,230 --> 00:00:06,750 here at nasa's kennedy space center in 3 00:00:11,959 --> 00:00:09,240 florida for this commercial partnership 4 00:00:13,459 --> 00:00:11,969 announcement between NASA and ATK it's 5 00:00:15,259 --> 00:00:13,469 my pleasure to introduce our speakers 6 00:00:17,390 --> 00:00:15,269 today we'll hear a few comments and then 7 00:00:19,090 --> 00:00:17,400 take questions here at Kennedy and if we 8 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:19,100 have anyone on the phone line our 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:22,320 speakers today are ed mango NASA's 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:26,490 Commercial Crew program manager Kent 11 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:28,650 Rominger vice president of strategy and 12 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:30,480 business development for ATK aerospace 13 00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:35,160 systems and John Schumacher atrium EADS 14 00:00:42,889 --> 00:00:40,920 North America mr. mango Thank you Thank 15 00:00:45,139 --> 00:00:42,899 You Kendra so you like to welcome 16 00:00:47,889 --> 00:00:45,149 everybody here today and it's a great 17 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:47,899 day to talk about commercial crew today 18 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:50,039 overall the Commercial Crew program is 19 00:00:54,650 --> 00:00:52,230 going very well we're making progress in 20 00:00:56,569 --> 00:00:54,660 many different areas of how we're 21 00:00:58,279 --> 00:00:56,579 proceeding with the program as you know 22 00:01:00,260 --> 00:00:58,289 Cece def to which kicked off a number of 23 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:00,270 months ago and we're making very steady 24 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:02,129 progress with that we're on time and on 25 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:03,860 budget across the board on our 26 00:01:08,899 --> 00:01:06,869 milestones that we have projected today 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:08,909 we want to announce that we are starting 28 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:13,890 a new unfunded SI with with 80k an essay 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:16,020 is an approach in which we both share 30 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:19,170 data and we both share ideas to move 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:20,759 forward with the particular design or a 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:23,490 particular concept we believe that this 33 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:25,530 effort that we start today and we'll go 34 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:28,140 through next spring and will allow ATK 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:30,810 and the Commercial Crew team our team of 36 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:33,210 managers engineers and safety folks to 37 00:01:38,569 --> 00:01:35,490 explore the Liberty design that ATK is 38 00:01:41,179 --> 00:01:38,579 wanting to talk about we will have a 39 00:01:43,340 --> 00:01:41,189 series of milestones over the next six 40 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:43,350 or nine months in which we want to talk 41 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:44,850 about their design I'm going to talk 42 00:01:49,789 --> 00:01:47,280 about their requirements how they plan 43 00:01:51,410 --> 00:01:49,799 to implement their requirements against 44 00:01:53,630 --> 00:01:51,420 their design talk about the capabilities 45 00:01:56,420 --> 00:01:53,640 of the liberty system as a whole and 46 00:01:58,010 --> 00:01:56,430 understand how how they plan to work it 47 00:01:59,929 --> 00:01:58,020 in the international approach I 48 00:02:01,940 --> 00:01:59,939 personally think this international 49 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:01,950 approach is a outstanding opportunity to 50 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:04,680 understand what is best about individual 51 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:06,840 companies and put those together to make 52 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:09,500 the best capability for 53 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:12,860 for the world we also want to explore if 54 00:02:18,730 --> 00:02:14,510 this capability can be used in a 55 00:02:20,740 --> 00:02:18,740 commercial crew type of purpose which 56 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:20,750 for us is to trying to get crew the 57 00:02:23,890 --> 00:02:22,010 International Space Station and low 58 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:23,900 Earth orbit by the middle of the decade 59 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:26,480 I look forward to expanding the 60 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:28,910 knowledge base both for NASA as well as 61 00:02:33,670 --> 00:02:32,030 for ATK and their partners NASA will 62 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:33,680 bring the expertise that we have on 63 00:02:37,780 --> 00:02:35,690 board with the Commercial Crew program 64 00:02:40,449 --> 00:02:37,790 will bring that expertise to bear to 65 00:02:42,820 --> 00:02:40,459 help ATK and give them our expertise and 66 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:42,830 at the same time we we want to discuss 67 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:46,550 what ATK and e ad s want to want to 68 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:48,080 think about in this Liberty system and 69 00:02:53,979 --> 00:02:51,340 work with them we look forward to this 70 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:53,989 cooperation i also like now to introduce 71 00:02:58,180 --> 00:02:55,760 Kent there's going to talk a little bit 72 00:03:00,250 --> 00:02:58,190 more about the liberty system so thank 73 00:03:03,130 --> 00:03:00,260 you and first of all we're delighted to 74 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:03,140 be here very much looking forward to 75 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:05,180 this opportunity to work with NASA the 76 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:06,770 experts in human space flight in the 77 00:03:10,990 --> 00:03:09,110 world what I want to start off with is 78 00:03:14,410 --> 00:03:11,000 I'd like to show a video it's all about 79 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:14,420 50 seconds so it will pictorially show 80 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:16,730 us what Liberty is so if we will please 81 00:03:23,229 --> 00:03:20,000 roll that video so here is a picture of 82 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:23,239 Liberty the first stage and it is an 83 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:25,880 evolved rocket motor from the Space 84 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:27,890 Shuttle boosters that were used the 85 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:30,140 second stage comes as part of the area 86 00:03:34,570 --> 00:03:32,959 on five system the core but we're 87 00:03:36,850 --> 00:03:34,580 looking at a vehicle flying right now 88 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:36,860 because both pieces of this system have 89 00:03:40,810 --> 00:03:38,750 extensive flight experience with very 90 00:03:43,330 --> 00:03:40,820 impressive records as a matter of fact 91 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:43,340 just last week we had a test firing on 92 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:45,320 development motor 3 that 5 segment 93 00:03:50,289 --> 00:03:48,410 that's the first stage and now we're 94 00:03:52,990 --> 00:03:50,299 looking at the upper stage engine which 95 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:53,000 has 45 consecutive successful flights 96 00:03:57,610 --> 00:03:55,190 and as part of a system that is the most 97 00:04:01,870 --> 00:03:57,620 successful commercial launcher on the on 98 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:01,880 the planet so but lastly here we see the 99 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:03,680 launch infrastructure right here at the 100 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:05,810 Kennedy Space Center this is where we 101 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:07,970 intend on launching Liberty from you 102 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:09,890 know the real bottom line is we want to 103 00:04:14,259 --> 00:04:11,780 be Florida's launch system provider with 104 00:04:16,509 --> 00:04:14,269 our Liberty vehicle a couple of more 105 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,519 points when you say hey well well what 106 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:18,320 is Liberty you know why would I want 107 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:21,289 Liberty and the reason why you want it 108 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:23,120 is we believe Liberty offers 109 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:26,240 safest most reliable means of putting 110 00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:30,020 our crew on orbit when I say our crew on 111 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:32,900 orbit we have the capability with 44,000 112 00:04:38,020 --> 00:04:35,660 pounds of lift into Leo to launch any of 113 00:04:41,469 --> 00:04:38,030 the Commercial Crew provider vehicles 114 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:41,479 that are out there to date what's really 115 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:44,690 fascinating with this is how well the 116 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:46,970 upper stage matches up with our first 117 00:04:51,070 --> 00:04:49,010 stage you would think they would have 118 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:51,080 been designed to go with each other but 119 00:04:55,689 --> 00:04:53,110 in fact they weren't but they made up 120 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:55,699 probably as well if not better than if 121 00:04:59,770 --> 00:04:57,410 we intentionally try to design it that 122 00:05:03,629 --> 00:04:59,780 way the other thing that I'd like to 123 00:05:07,210 --> 00:05:03,639 emphasize is in 2010 President Obama 124 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:07,220 signed in a new space policy and part of 125 00:05:10,930 --> 00:05:08,900 that space policy one of the changes 126 00:05:13,150 --> 00:05:10,940 from the previous one was the fact that 127 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:13,160 it said we want to expand our 128 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:15,380 international cooperation in space 129 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:18,620 flight so we are taking what we believe 130 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:21,620 is a very good relationship from the 131 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:23,990 space station with ESO with the european 132 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:26,960 space agency and nasa and that legacy we 133 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:28,280 just saw involving it into the 134 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:30,770 commercial world so if you look at our 135 00:05:35,980 --> 00:05:33,560 Liberty system NASA developed the first 136 00:05:38,110 --> 00:05:35,990 stage in the five segments booster the 137 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:38,120 upper stage was developed by isa the 138 00:05:42,159 --> 00:05:40,610 european space agency to commercial 139 00:05:44,650 --> 00:05:42,169 companies now are taken that and 140 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:44,660 applying it commercially so we feel very 141 00:05:49,659 --> 00:05:47,000 fortunate to have what we believe is a 142 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:49,669 very rigorous design unlike any other 143 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:50,990 out there that was designed to lift 144 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:53,330 humans from the start and we're applying 145 00:05:58,089 --> 00:05:56,000 commercial processes and practices to it 146 00:06:02,800 --> 00:05:58,099 to offer it at the best possible value 147 00:06:06,189 --> 00:06:02,810 for our nation's space program the other 148 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:06,199 thing is it's it's there's a reason I'm 149 00:06:10,180 --> 00:06:07,910 sitting here at the Kennedy Space Center 150 00:06:12,010 --> 00:06:10,190 we ATK asked to come in to Kennedy Space 151 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:12,020 Center because this is going to be the 152 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,300 home of Liberty clearly the 153 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:16,400 infrastructure the kennedy space center 154 00:06:22,529 --> 00:06:20,000 right here is set up perfectly to enable 155 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:22,539 us to process liberty launched Liberty 156 00:06:27,159 --> 00:06:25,190 so not just use the infrastructure but 157 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:27,169 the people and the people here at the 158 00:06:31,630 --> 00:06:28,940 Kennedy Space Center so we wind up 159 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:31,640 bringing jobs into Florida and using the 160 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:34,130 existing expertise that we've developed 161 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:36,260 over the last five decades and to my 162 00:06:40,369 --> 00:06:37,020 knowledge 163 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:40,379 you know we are if not the only one one 164 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:43,410 of the launchers looking at really 165 00:06:49,670 --> 00:06:45,060 taking advantage of this great 166 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:49,680 capability that is is here today what I 167 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:51,800 would like to do at this point now is 168 00:06:57,710 --> 00:06:55,860 just tell you that the ATK team is 169 00:06:59,899 --> 00:06:57,720 greatly enhanced by earning 170 00:07:01,520 --> 00:06:59,909 international partner and to represent 171 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:01,530 them sitting next to me is John 172 00:07:08,059 --> 00:07:04,530 shoemaker so John it's all yours thanks 173 00:07:10,249 --> 00:07:08,069 Ken just a couple of remarks I wanted I 174 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:10,259 can't tell you how excited we are to be 175 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:13,380 here today and on behalf of Astrium Andy 176 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:15,000 80s North America at first like to thank 177 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:17,400 edmee go and the NASA team for their 178 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:18,990 leadership in this Commercial Crew 179 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:21,090 development program and then to our 180 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:23,280 partners ATK we think it's an honor to 181 00:07:28,999 --> 00:07:27,120 be on this team with 80k they had the 182 00:07:31,219 --> 00:07:29,009 innovative look almost a year ago to 183 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:31,229 come to a stream and talk to them about 184 00:07:35,659 --> 00:07:33,840 could we put the the best of us and 185 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:35,669 european launch vehicle capability 186 00:07:41,719 --> 00:07:38,039 together and add tremendously was as 187 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:41,729 Kent just said we think is the most 188 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:44,490 competitive most capable very safe very 189 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:47,430 reliable vehicle for commercial crew 190 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:49,620 transport and and to do that right here 191 00:07:55,219 --> 00:07:53,310 at the Kennedy Space Center so if I 192 00:07:57,980 --> 00:07:55,229 don't jump out of my chair I can tell 193 00:07:59,689 --> 00:07:57,990 you we are very excited for us the 194 00:08:01,730 --> 00:07:59,699 partnership builds on over a decade of 195 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:01,740 experience that Astrium and you've 196 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:03,090 probably seen it here at the cape and 197 00:08:08,269 --> 00:08:04,889 johnson astron north america has worked 198 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:08,279 on space shuttle and Space Station and 199 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:10,590 in several different aspects of space 200 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:12,719 station so we see this as a national 201 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:15,180 progression and in part of the the 202 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:16,889 growing cooperation between the US and 203 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:21,529 Europe in space capabilities as Kent 204 00:08:29,779 --> 00:08:26,849 spoke to it uses the ariane 5 core stage 205 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:29,789 as an upper stage with the the at its 206 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:32,550 heart the Vulcan 2 engine which is phone 207 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:35,120 45 times successfully a tremendously 208 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:38,250 successful and capable flight proven 209 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:41,610 system we also think we bring the 210 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:43,770 experience of operating the Ariane 211 00:08:47,780 --> 00:08:45,540 system the commercial aspects of that 212 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:47,790 the commercial aspects of going to that 213 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:50,399 larger market place in a marketplace and 214 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:50,880 in some 215 00:08:57,830 --> 00:08:53,610 the ideas about modularity innovation 216 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:57,840 and to bring that competitive force into 217 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:00,480 the the whole discussion and we an ATK 218 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:03,150 have had a really good time talking that 219 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:04,740 through and how does liberty best 220 00:09:09,530 --> 00:09:08,250 advance that so just in some I would 221 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:09,540 tell you we think this brings together 222 00:09:14,660 --> 00:09:11,370 the best of us and european launch 223 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:14,670 vehicle capabilities into a the most 224 00:09:18,230 --> 00:09:16,140 competitive vehicle and then this 225 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:18,240 commercial trade space so again thanks 226 00:09:21,620 --> 00:09:19,230 very much for the opportunity the 227 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:21,630 privilege to be here today thank you 228 00:09:25,670 --> 00:09:23,850 we'll take questions from the room we do 229 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:25,680 have reporters on the phone line we'll 230 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:27,270 start here at Kennedy and then we'll 231 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:28,620 take as many questions as we can from 232 00:09:32,390 --> 00:09:30,930 the phones let's start over here once 233 00:09:33,950 --> 00:09:32,400 the microphone comes your way please 234 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:33,960 state your name affiliation and to whom 235 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:35,580 you're addressing your question start 236 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:40,050 with Jay Jay barbri with NBC I have a 237 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:42,300 four-part or should I ask it in one part 238 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:44,010 or you want me to throw all the fours 239 00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:46,920 out there yeah let's say let's start one 240 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:51,120 at a time okay 1st Kent will you be able 241 00:09:56,810 --> 00:09:52,740 with this agreement to use the 242 00:10:00,080 --> 00:09:56,820 facilities the vab and crawler and 243 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:00,090 launch pad as you did with areas one do 244 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:02,490 you have that type of agreement so yeah 245 00:10:06,710 --> 00:10:04,710 we've got a couple agreements in work 246 00:10:07,820 --> 00:10:06,720 actually multiple Jay kind of an 247 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:07,830 overarching agreement and then 248 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:09,360 individual Space Act agreements that 249 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:11,940 we've been working with the various NASA 250 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:15,570 centers and people to in fact utilize as 251 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:18,570 much infrastructure as it makes sense so 252 00:10:23,770 --> 00:10:21,290 the vertical Assembly Building our 253 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:23,780 operations our concept of operations 254 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:26,970 absolutely does we have the upper stage 255 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:29,370 being shipped in just like today on the 256 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:31,440 area on 5 it's shipped out of Europe 257 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:34,770 down to the equator for launch it'll be 258 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:36,630 shipped in here the first stage will 259 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:38,490 coming on rail like it did for the space 260 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,500 shuttle they'll go to the vertical 261 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:42,480 Assembly Building where they get stacked 262 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:44,820 assembled and the spacecraft will come 263 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:47,910 in as well and then out of the vab 264 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:51,690 you'll roll out on a launch pad out to 265 00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:54,390 the launch facility so yes I guess is 266 00:10:59,180 --> 00:10:56,240 the answer that that is the plan 267 00:11:01,460 --> 00:10:59,190 obviously you estimate that it will 268 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:01,470 create for can see here yeah you know 269 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:03,790 our best guess initially is around 300 270 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:06,220 jobs that will bring in 300 years to 271 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:09,010 utilize that'll create here in Florida 272 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:11,740 and you know you've said in the past at 273 00:11:20,010 --> 00:11:14,560 Liberty is already human rated as is the 274 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:20,020 Aryan 5a stage is it more that you have 275 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:22,570 to do unlike other people who are going 276 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:24,220 to be launching here none of them are 277 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:26,380 certified is there more that you have to 278 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:31,390 do to certify liberty to carry a crew so 279 00:11:35,130 --> 00:11:33,490 ang ating you know that one's very near 280 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:35,140 and dear to my heart ensuring that we 281 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:37,360 have a very reliable and safe vehicle 282 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:39,250 and if you look at the human rating 283 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:42,820 standards they are pretty honors in in 284 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:45,790 fact you have to start from conception 285 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:50,230 to have a system that meets those in the 286 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:51,910 first stage absolutely does because it 287 00:11:56,790 --> 00:11:54,520 was designed with those in mind the 288 00:11:59,520 --> 00:11:56,800 second stage as well out of a stream 289 00:12:02,550 --> 00:11:59,530 that arion five was designed to lift her 290 00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:02,560 me so space plane and make no mistake 291 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:04,900 NASA's human rating requirements have 292 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:07,540 been out there and so people around the 293 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:09,760 globe look at those requirements and 294 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:12,340 they don't necessarily have to design to 295 00:12:16,020 --> 00:12:13,750 those requirements but they are taking 296 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:16,030 into account so the Erion five our core 297 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:18,910 stage our upper stage was in fact 298 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:21,490 designed initially to carry humans it 299 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:23,490 has not been flying that way today so 300 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:26,680 but we use the word scarred the system 301 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:28,710 is scarred with various paths 302 00:12:34,590 --> 00:12:33,010 redundancies structure meets those human 303 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:34,600 rating requirements or is very close to 304 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:41,640 them so I believe we have a unique 305 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:44,040 capability when it comes to human rating 306 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:47,050 but even larger than that the system 307 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:50,110 itself the real beauty of it is it's 308 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:52,690 extremely simple and if we if we look at 309 00:12:57,870 --> 00:12:55,570 the rocket it's got one engine for first 310 00:13:01,140 --> 00:12:57,880 stage one inch in for second stage and 311 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:01,150 you're on orbit so the philosophy is if 312 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:02,950 you minimize the things that can go 313 00:13:07,470 --> 00:13:05,260 wrong that can cause you to have a bad 314 00:13:09,470 --> 00:13:07,480 day or not get to orbit you know if we 315 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:09,480 look at recent failures Soyuz progress 316 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:12,250 that was the third stage that resulted 317 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:15,550 in the the progress not getting into 318 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:17,410 orbit on Liberty that's not 319 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:18,790 problem because we don't need a third 320 00:13:24,449 --> 00:13:20,889 stage we it's the design is so simple 321 00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:24,459 that in fact we get into orbit with 322 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:28,600 dependent just on two engines for my 323 00:13:38,309 --> 00:13:32,430 final four parter for ED heading back in 324 00:13:41,369 --> 00:13:38,319 1956 von Braun rolled redstone number 29 325 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:41,379 out to the launch pad he had a satellite 326 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:43,120 on board and it was going to launch it 327 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:45,040 he was stopped by the Department of 328 00:13:50,429 --> 00:13:47,649 Defense he was told to take 29 back to 329 00:13:53,069 --> 00:13:50,439 the hangar he took it back he later 330 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:53,079 launched our first satellite but for him 331 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:55,060 to be given an opportunity to launch 332 00:13:59,970 --> 00:13:57,370 that first satellite he had to go 333 00:14:02,429 --> 00:13:59,980 through watching Vanguard fail and two 334 00:14:05,220 --> 00:14:02,439 or three other steps fell after the 335 00:14:07,139 --> 00:14:05,230 simple rocket put up our first satellite 336 00:14:09,569 --> 00:14:07,149 following a simple rocket that put up 337 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:09,579 the shuttles I mean put up the Soviets 338 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:11,769 for a satellite now the question here is 339 00:14:16,019 --> 00:14:14,290 this suppose at Liberty works here it's 340 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:16,029 already been out here the facilities are 341 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:18,220 out here suppose it's ready to take 342 00:14:22,740 --> 00:14:20,920 crews back to the space station if we 343 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:22,750 got the problems that we have with the 344 00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:25,720 Soyuz three rocket is NASA going to push 345 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:27,699 for them to go ahead and do it or are 346 00:14:32,129 --> 00:14:29,980 they going to have to sit back and wait 347 00:14:35,009 --> 00:14:32,139 for you these other rockets to get ready 348 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:35,019 man rated and go will they be any 349 00:14:38,999 --> 00:14:36,910 influence from the agency to fly the 350 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:39,009 first cruise possible to the 351 00:14:46,079 --> 00:14:42,069 International Space Station see a good 352 00:14:47,699 --> 00:14:46,089 question i would say that for this 353 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:47,709 effort we're doing under this essay 354 00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:49,209 we're going to look at the capabilities 355 00:14:54,689 --> 00:14:52,540 of this Liberty system and yes both 356 00:14:57,210 --> 00:14:54,699 components have flown before and they 357 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:57,220 both have good histories in the past I 358 00:15:02,189 --> 00:14:59,290 think we have to look at the integration 359 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:02,199 of those pieces how that how that 360 00:15:07,259 --> 00:15:04,720 mission profile will look for essent and 361 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:07,269 then we will look at that from a 362 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:09,550 technical standpoint what Commercial 363 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:11,529 Crew program wants to do is we don't 364 00:15:17,309 --> 00:15:14,490 want to be in business of integrating a 365 00:15:20,549 --> 00:15:17,319 spacecraft with launch vehicles so we're 366 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:20,559 very interested in helping ATK and their 367 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:23,050 partners in exploring what capability 368 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:23,590 they do have 369 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:26,320 and then we encourage them to go work 370 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:29,350 with spacecraft providers create those 371 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:31,030 partnerships and then come forward and 372 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:32,610 say now they have a solution and 373 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:35,080 whatever whenever that solution can meet 374 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:38,410 our requirements and they can deliver 375 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:41,770 crew on orbit safely then then that is 376 00:15:48,510 --> 00:15:43,900 the one that will go use as soon as we 377 00:15:52,590 --> 00:15:48,520 can Irene thanks Irene Klotz with the 378 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Reuters improbably 44 Kent the can you 379 00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:54,130 talk a little bit about the scope of 380 00:15:58,290 --> 00:15:56,080 this space act agreement in other words 381 00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:58,300 is 300 people that you said would be 382 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:01,510 hired is that envisioned you're like now 383 00:16:05,460 --> 00:16:03,580 once since your agreement is signed or 384 00:16:08,490 --> 00:16:05,470 is that were you talking more in the 385 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:08,500 future and also if if there's any 386 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:12,040 changes between this contract that you 387 00:16:16,770 --> 00:16:14,590 signed and what you had proposed to NASA 388 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:16,780 under the CC devs is kind of like your 389 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:22,810 CC dev to proposal re reborn and a new a 390 00:16:28,830 --> 00:16:26,350 new arrangement yeah so I'll start with 391 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:28,840 your second question first and yes the 392 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:31,810 the Space Act agreement was lined out 393 00:16:38,460 --> 00:16:36,550 and started initially as CCDF to SAA the 394 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:38,470 one difference is is the funding level 395 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:40,780 and so the milestones that we have in 396 00:16:46,050 --> 00:16:43,450 their appropriate with with where we are 397 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:46,060 today and where we're moving the fact is 398 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:47,530 we'd been a little further along with a 399 00:16:52,650 --> 00:16:49,180 funded agree with them with an unfunded 400 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:52,660 but the milestones the cooperation back 401 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:55,210 and forth with NASA I envision will be 402 00:17:01,230 --> 00:16:56,770 very very similar to what it would have 403 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:01,240 been on a cc dev two awards so we're 404 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:03,220 very excited to be working with these 405 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:06,790 folks and the jobs yes the jobs will 406 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:08,290 come on incrementally as we work through 407 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:10,780 the program well with the majority of 408 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:14,490 them probably about a year from flight 409 00:17:20,580 --> 00:17:18,310 is processes and vehicle processing 410 00:17:22,890 --> 00:17:20,590 starts coming into Florida and that'll 411 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:22,900 be full up you know within a couple of 412 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:24,790 months of that first launch for the 413 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:28,090 processing so are you saying that with 414 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:29,350 this base act agreement you're actually 415 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:31,990 planning on a launch and if so when do 416 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:34,870 you anticipate that would occur so this 417 00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:36,900 space act agreement is through 418 00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:38,520 March you know so it's a relatively 419 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:41,340 short period in the philosophy was I 420 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:44,130 believe in propellant ed talked but i 421 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:46,170 think the philosophy was just like ccdf 422 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:49,620 to it will end and then the next set of 423 00:17:55,550 --> 00:17:52,530 agreements will be put in place IDC the 424 00:17:58,190 --> 00:17:55,560 integrated design contract so we are 425 00:18:01,330 --> 00:17:58,200 absolutely leveraging this to advance as 426 00:18:04,670 --> 00:18:01,340 far as we can and then competing on IDC 427 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:04,680 and as far as a launch date you know 428 00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:06,150 that will be determined by funding 429 00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:08,340 profiles and progress that is made but 430 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:11,820 what I can tell you is as I look at 431 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:13,740 systems out there particularly 432 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:16,050 spacecraft systems and our launcher I 433 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:18,450 believe that we are ahead of all the 434 00:18:24,290 --> 00:18:20,550 systems so we can be ready when the 435 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:24,300 space vehicles are ready to fly then i 436 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:26,370 guess i will add that you know the whole 437 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:29,910 concept of CCF to was to mature 438 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,270 capabilities and move progress move 439 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:35,520 forward on progress towards Commercial 440 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:39,090 Crew systems and so this unfunded 441 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:42,330 agreement now we have with 80k as part 442 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:44,760 of that CCDF to profile if you look at 443 00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:46,650 it as a overall portfolio of what we 444 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:49,500 want to go do as it being unfunded you 445 00:18:54,140 --> 00:18:51,930 know from the taxpayer standpoint really 446 00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:54,150 the techs payer is helping to make sure 447 00:18:58,970 --> 00:18:56,100 that NASA team can support the 448 00:19:01,340 --> 00:18:58,980 discussions and an eight DK is using 449 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:01,350 their internal capabilities in order to 450 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,140 go fund their half of the agreement from 451 00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:06,000 at this particular point it's a great 452 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:07,620 way to do business and explore the 453 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:09,870 capabilities that ATK has with other 454 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:12,810 British system this this whole idea of 455 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:15,060 CCF too will come to an end towards next 456 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:17,160 spring and summer of next year and then 457 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:19,860 we'll move into the next phase what this 458 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:23,580 helps by starting today with 80k is it 459 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,030 helps them move their system and moves 460 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:29,460 their system progress forward so that 461 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:33,180 then they can work to compete in the 462 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:36,360 next round if they wish to do so 463 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:38,850 bill bill where we see if he has a two 464 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:41,850 quick ones for me I wanna make sure I 465 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:43,020 understand this Kent what you're saying 466 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:44,700 is that you're going to study this you 467 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:45,960 and NASA are both going to look at this 468 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:48,330 system for the next six to nine months 469 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:50,070 or however long that lasts and then 470 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:51,360 there's another decision point coming 471 00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:53,340 and if you guys don't get money from 472 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:55,140 NASA at that point is that the end of 473 00:19:59,419 --> 00:19:57,510 this or would you keep going beyond 474 00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:59,429 there on your own yeah so bill what I 475 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:00,990 was really trying to say is we are 476 00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:04,290 working as we have been with the Liberty 477 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:06,150 maturing the Liberty system towards 478 00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:09,480 ultimately a launch NASA and now the the 479 00:20:14,510 --> 00:20:12,419 Space Act agreement enables us to work 480 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:14,520 much more closely with NASA and vice 481 00:20:22,159 --> 00:20:18,390 versa to along that goal and it really 482 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,169 isn't you know digital that either a we 483 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:24,480 do continue or don't continue with an 484 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:27,150 IDC award for example our goal is to 485 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,480 continue working liberty and again it's 486 00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:32,880 paced by funding amongst other things 487 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:36,299 but for us the space act agreement is 488 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:39,390 very exciting because it enables NASA to 489 00:20:43,299 --> 00:20:41,880 gain more insight into Liberty which i 490 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,309 think is a great thing and it also 491 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:45,840 enables us to leverage all this 492 00:20:51,530 --> 00:20:48,809 expertise that's here one more from me 493 00:20:52,909 --> 00:20:51,540 what about how does liability work in 494 00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:52,919 the sense when you have loaded fuel 495 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:54,419 segments in a government building like 496 00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:58,080 the vab just just in general liability 497 00:21:01,460 --> 00:20:59,820 for a commercial operation whereas in 498 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:01,470 the past that's always been I guess 499 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:03,090 self-insured by the government if there 500 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:05,190 was a mishap or something and be if 501 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:06,900 everything really did go well and this 502 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:08,250 really did march down the road when 503 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:10,110 would when were the earliest be that we 504 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:11,700 could see actual flight hardware out 505 00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:13,320 there on the pad getting ready to go on 506 00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,340 a test flight for example so if you want 507 00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:19,919 to take that foot in the lie doing how 508 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,070 to answer okay that is a very good 509 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,200 question we are working the solutions 510 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:28,320 for commercial entities coming into 511 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:30,090 government facilities that happens 512 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,799 that's not something that's new to 513 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:33,360 commercial crew that happens quite a lot 514 00:21:38,020 --> 00:21:36,330 happens even today at this center but it 515 00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,030 also happens in other centers and other 516 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:40,080 government facilities where commercial 517 00:21:44,130 --> 00:21:41,710 entities come into those 518 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:44,140 nice when they enter into agreements or 519 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:45,970 contracts or whatever the right 520 00:21:52,860 --> 00:21:49,480 mechanism is the rules for liability are 521 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:52,870 then laid out and for Commercial Crew 522 00:21:57,299 --> 00:21:55,240 those rules are also being laid out and 523 00:21:59,399 --> 00:21:57,309 as we move into the next phase you'll 524 00:22:03,240 --> 00:21:59,409 see how those rules will be set up so 525 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,250 that the liability for NASA on our 526 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:05,039 government facilities has taken care of 527 00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,500 either by NASA or by the partner the 528 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:09,760 commercial partner and that might be in 529 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:11,230 there but it is unique to each 530 00:22:16,409 --> 00:22:13,990 particular Center in each particular 531 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:16,419 facility depends what else is going on 532 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:19,120 in the facility it depends when NASA 533 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:20,710 might need the facility for other 534 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,750 activities so all that plays into the 535 00:22:28,769 --> 00:22:25,740 mix so there isn't a clear-cut answer 536 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:28,779 except to say that liability of 537 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:31,090 government facilities is very important 538 00:22:37,139 --> 00:22:34,809 obviously to the NASA and so we have we 539 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:37,149 want to be rolling out what those rules 540 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:40,289 are over as we move into the next phase 541 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:43,330 if I could just add to that in my fact 542 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:44,500 the last several weeks there have been 543 00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:47,350 meetings to that very issue bill and 544 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,419 what I've seen is based on history and 545 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,000 what we've learned over the years NASA 546 00:22:58,409 --> 00:22:55,600 is re-evaluating in leveraging a lot of 547 00:23:01,470 --> 00:22:58,419 data to make a pretty informed decision 548 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:01,480 so that if it works commercially they 549 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:03,610 are enabling it so you know hats off to 550 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:06,460 everything we see going to your question 551 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:09,190 about hey when can we fly we've we've 552 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:10,600 kind of always been on regular saying 553 00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:14,230 hey we can meet an IOC in 2015 and again 554 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:16,990 when the spacecraft are ready we will be 555 00:23:30,820 --> 00:23:24,650 ready 15 for IOC 2015 4 IOC 556 00:23:35,470 --> 00:23:30,830 it's sorry you don't that's I get told 557 00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:35,480 that all the time Jason I had todd todd 558 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:38,120 halvorson with florida today i have a 559 00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:42,260 couple if i could so far in CC dev one 560 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:45,860 NC c-dub to NASA as invested primarily 561 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:49,250 in the development of piloted spacecraft 562 00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:51,050 that would actually be on top of the 563 00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:52,580 launch vehicle rather than a launch 564 00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:55,940 vehicle I was wondering if in the next 565 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:00,080 round NASA would consider actually 566 00:24:04,930 --> 00:24:03,230 funding the commercial development are 567 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:04,940 providing seed money for a launch 568 00:24:08,650 --> 00:24:06,770 vehicle rather than a spacecraft and 569 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:08,660 what you think about the importance of 570 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:12,850 having more than one US launch vehicle 571 00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:17,650 available during the Commercial Crew era 572 00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:22,220 t from the program standpoint you know 573 00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:27,140 we foresee caf2 we did have most of our 574 00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:29,990 funding all went to spacecraft and part 575 00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:31,430 of that rationale was we really thought 576 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:34,430 spacecraft was the long pole in order to 577 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:36,710 getting a complete system we have 578 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:39,350 entered into unfunded essays with 579 00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:41,990 another launch vehicle provider as well 580 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:44,900 as a DK and so we are very interested in 581 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,420 making sure that the launch vehicle 582 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:49,760 capabilities are also there when the 583 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:52,850 spacecraft is not ready to be used so we 584 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:54,380 think that we have a portfolio that 585 00:25:00,220 --> 00:24:55,970 addresses both launch vehicle as well 586 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:00,230 spacecraft in terms of the next phase I 587 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:02,210 think we've made it pretty clear from 588 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:03,830 the Commercial Crew program standpoint 589 00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:05,810 that the next phase we want the 590 00:25:11,050 --> 00:25:09,500 integrated system we do not we NASA do 591 00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:11,060 not want to be the integrator of a 592 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:12,910 launch vehicle in spacecraft we want 593 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:15,910 industry just as you would if you're 594 00:25:21,130 --> 00:25:19,160 building a new aircraft they figure out 595 00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:21,140 what power plants to put on an aircraft 596 00:25:25,570 --> 00:25:22,870 when engines to put on the aircraft and 597 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:25,580 also to build the aircraft itself and 598 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:27,140 the passenger could make a billet ease 599 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:29,210 all that and then they sell that to the 600 00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:31,370 customers in this case that's sort of 601 00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:32,630 the approach we're looking for we want a 602 00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:34,150 complete system that 603 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:36,280 that industry wants to bring to us and 604 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:37,750 then we'll evaluate those different 605 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:41,020 capabilities and to go from there just 606 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:45,570 as a problem for Kent the spacecraft 607 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,230 developers in the commercial area all 608 00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:53,200 seem to be lining up to get on board the 609 00:25:59,790 --> 00:25:55,240 United Launch Alliance Atlas rocket I 610 00:26:02,190 --> 00:25:59,800 think Sierra Nevada and you know 611 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:02,200 everybody but SpaceX seems to want to 612 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:05,740 fly on Atlas who are you guys talking to 613 00:26:11,610 --> 00:26:08,620 and can you talk a little bit about 614 00:26:14,610 --> 00:26:11,620 whether or not anybody could launch on 615 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:14,620 this vehicle yeah so so Todd the real 616 00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:16,990 quick answer to that is hey we're 617 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:20,350 talking to everybody that we can and you 618 00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:21,670 mentioned SpaceX they're kind of 619 00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:23,830 self-contained so that being the 620 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:26,920 exception with Liberty you know we 621 00:26:30,150 --> 00:26:28,270 showed up a little bit later than the 622 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:30,160 Atlas 5 that's been flying haven't said 623 00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:32,590 that what we found are a couple of 624 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:34,540 things folks are very interested in 625 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,250 Liberty because of the value that we 626 00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:38,740 bring so you know Giada mentioned that 627 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:42,070 we're competitive we believe pricing 628 00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:43,900 wash for the performance nobody can 629 00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:45,460 match what Liberty can do and 630 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:47,020 particularly if you look at the 631 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:48,820 reliability and safety of the systems 632 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:51,130 the heritage of our systems so we're 633 00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:53,470 talking to all the folks and we've had 634 00:27:00,000 --> 00:26:55,660 real good reception from the folks out 635 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:00,010 there so our goal is to lift be able to 636 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:02,770 lift everybody and eventually be signed 637 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,590 on with folks to lift all the spacecraft 638 00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:08,080 out there because performance wise we 639 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:10,780 can do that we'll take one more question 640 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:12,460 here in the room before going to the 641 00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,200 phone lines and then we'll come back to 642 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:16,150 Kennedy if there any follow-up so Jason 643 00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:18,130 please Jason Ryan with America's space 644 00:27:22,410 --> 00:27:20,680 org I believe this question kind of 645 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:22,420 follows up on what Todd was asking and 646 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:25,450 it's for ED there seems to be a diverse 647 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:27,430 range of launch vehicles as well as 648 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:29,470 spacecraft that are being developed at 649 00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:32,110 one time now after challenger in 650 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:34,270 Colombia we experienced a two-year gap 651 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:36,310 before we could fly astronauts again is 652 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:39,130 what we're seeing here potentially be 653 00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:40,900 like if there's a similar accident one 654 00:27:44,910 --> 00:27:43,300 of the i want to say fleet of different 655 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:44,920 launch vehicles that are potentially 656 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:47,490 launching astronauts if there's a 657 00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:50,809 bad day as it were that would probably 658 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:53,040 alleviate that issue wouldn't it or is 659 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,470 that what NASA is working towards or not 660 00:27:59,270 --> 00:27:57,480 to have a diverse range of launch 661 00:28:02,020 --> 00:27:59,280 vehicle providers provide service to the 662 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:02,030 International Space Station thank you 663 00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,500 good good strategic question and we 664 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:06,080 talked about that question quite a lot 665 00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,460 within the program and with an agency 666 00:28:13,270 --> 00:28:10,620 from the Commercial Crew program 667 00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:13,280 standpoint we would like multiple 668 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:16,590 providers by the time we get the station 669 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:19,770 the best way we know how in order to 670 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:23,010 keep a capability going would be to have 671 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:25,800 multiple capabilities in which if one 672 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,510 capability cannot support we can go to 673 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:29,640 another one now that assumes that 674 00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:33,120 there's a adequate amount of funding in 675 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,280 order to go do that and the fixed kurma 676 00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:37,200 investment that the NASA would bring to 677 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:39,000 the table has to be large enough to do 678 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:41,490 that at the same point you know in order 679 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:43,500 to go in orbit orbit is really an 680 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:46,290 international kind of affair and so we 681 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,510 will still always have a Russian 682 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:50,880 capability that I don't think we're 683 00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:52,650 going to say no to I think there's also 684 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:55,350 some capability that is dissimilar and 685 00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:56,730 when you use the Russian capability as 686 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:00,570 compared to a system that is focused in 687 00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:03,090 the United States the goal is to have 688 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:04,830 multiple capabilities in order to get to 689 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:06,750 the Earth orbit and now that is our goal 690 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:09,270 for the foreseeable future and see 691 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:11,220 sitive too and in our next phases we 692 00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:13,350 very much want to have as many companies 693 00:29:19,220 --> 00:29:17,670 as we can afford basically from a from a 694 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:19,230 design standpoint which is that really 695 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:23,610 this phase in the next phase well now go 696 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,770 to the phone lines I will call your name 697 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,480 if you have a question please state your 698 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:29,220 affiliation and to whom you're 699 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,290 addressing your question or let us know 700 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:33,679 if you don't have one mark Kerr oh 701 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:37,710 thanks mark crow for aviation week can 702 00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:41,990 you explain the range or number of crew 703 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:45,030 that you are sized with liberty to 704 00:29:51,380 --> 00:29:48,450 launch on a single mission and also if 705 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:51,390 you might touch on whether you would 706 00:29:56,419 --> 00:29:54,360 consider a second launch site like in 707 00:29:58,790 --> 00:29:56,429 kourou french guiana in addition to 708 00:29:59,520 --> 00:29:58,800 Kennedy or your kind of all in at 709 00:30:04,980 --> 00:29:59,530 Kennedy is 710 00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:04,990 or yes so mark if you look at the size 711 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:07,300 of crew the numbers I've seen from the 712 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:09,790 spacecraft or seven is the largest 713 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:12,190 number I've seen our performance is such 714 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:14,560 that if somebody developed a little bit 715 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:16,420 bigger spacecraft I believe we could 716 00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:18,460 lift them into low-earth orbit but the 717 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:22,390 goin number is seven so which is a great 718 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:24,810 number and it helps a business case and 719 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:26,950 particularly for the spacecraft right 720 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:29,890 flying the crew bigger is better for to 721 00:30:33,630 --> 00:30:32,110 help them close of business case as far 722 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:33,640 as launch sites right now our 723 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,980 concentration is on Florida just because 724 00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:38,080 of so much that it naturally offers and 725 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,630 has readily available to us at minimum 726 00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:43,120 cost and in the commercial world the 727 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:45,430 minimum cost just means value back to 728 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:47,230 the customer for the the dollars per 729 00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:50,560 ride having said that we are absolutely 730 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:52,840 are looking at all the markets for 731 00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:54,460 liberty and that's really one of the 732 00:30:58,170 --> 00:30:55,990 advantage a launcher has over our 733 00:31:00,480 --> 00:30:58,180 spacecraft is that in addition to crew 734 00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:00,490 we have cargo and then we have 735 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:03,100 satellites gto so we are evaluating 736 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:07,030 other other missions as well as launch 737 00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:11,890 sites mark you have a follow-up no thank 738 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:17,520 you very much alan Boyle thank you a 739 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:21,910 couple of related questions one is do 740 00:31:30,170 --> 00:31:24,910 you and what exactly kind of work do you 741 00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:38,760 fights and are there and is is there any 742 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:41,590 scenario where NASA would be paid by ATK 743 00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:45,850 for services rendered so interesting 744 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:47,800 question and the answer to the last one 745 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,800 is yes as a matter of fact as we look at 746 00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:52,960 different trajectory analysis with the 747 00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:55,480 capabilities nASA has there is 748 00:31:59,790 --> 00:31:57,670 absolutely a scenario where we pay NASA 749 00:32:02,250 --> 00:31:59,800 for services so it's kind of interesting 750 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:02,260 how the tables can maybe flip but if you 751 00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:04,950 look at the expertise around the world 752 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:09,460 you realize hey this is where it is in 753 00:32:15,149 --> 00:32:13,210 for some cases the other one is 754 00:32:17,159 --> 00:32:15,159 you know we're in between our systems 755 00:32:19,409 --> 00:32:17,169 design review and our preliminary design 756 00:32:22,919 --> 00:32:19,419 review and we're working through those 757 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:22,929 milestones as we go so the additional 758 00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:25,330 design analysis cycles for one which is 759 00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:28,919 very key in getting us to the PDR that's 760 00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:33,820 initially what we're working on Alan did 761 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:38,830 you have a follow up there there is a 762 00:32:43,139 --> 00:32:40,510 little bit of a follow-up I'm just 763 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:43,149 trying to digest all this there's a 764 00:32:51,419 --> 00:32:47,370 little bit of crosswalk on the phone but 765 00:32:57,419 --> 00:32:51,429 no not at this time thank you okay Mike 766 00:32:59,700 --> 00:32:57,429 wall yes mike wall from space com I 767 00:33:03,000 --> 00:32:59,710 guess I just had a brief question could 768 00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,010 you give an idea of what yeah what the 769 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:04,960 potential impact of this is going to be 770 00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:08,200 on your sort of on like and I'm in the 771 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:11,350 actual progress of this rocket I mean 772 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:12,760 how much of a difference is it going to 773 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:14,289 make in the taste of your progress are 774 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:16,809 we talking about six months like I don't 775 00:33:20,669 --> 00:33:18,940 know nine months development increase or 776 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:20,679 or is only way you can put any numbers 777 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:23,470 on kind of how this is is actually going 778 00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,130 to find I have an impact on on what you 779 00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:29,919 guys are doing yeah you know that's a 780 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,350 really good question but I don't know 781 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:35,200 how to answer that you know what what I 782 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:38,200 would say is hey maybe in a month if you 783 00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:39,850 asked me that question I have a much 784 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:43,480 better idea having evaluated kind of how 785 00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:46,630 we are proceeding and moving but it 786 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:49,390 unfortunate mark i don't know i'm 787 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:51,490 struggling coming up with an answer to 788 00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:55,120 that one for you mike did you have a 789 00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:57,820 follow-up sure sure yes could you just 790 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:00,190 give an example of if some of the things 791 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:02,529 you can do with this partnership that if 792 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:04,450 you couldn't have done maybe just with 793 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:09,849 your own personnel so you know one 794 00:34:14,099 --> 00:34:11,830 example is the Space Act agreement we're 795 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:14,109 sitting here in Florida having said that 796 00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:16,300 so for the launching the engineering 797 00:34:20,669 --> 00:34:17,859 there's a lot of expertise there but 798 00:34:21,899 --> 00:34:20,679 also this team is compromised a lot of 799 00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:21,909 folks from the Marshall Space Flight 800 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:26,230 Center that have worked with our 5 801 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:27,070 segment mo 802 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:30,640 a lot in have a lot of data it's at the 803 00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:33,790 CVR level that we will leverage as we 804 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:37,380 produce as we progress towards our PDR 805 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:42,760 so you know again the detailed analysis 806 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:44,890 cycles that we're working towards well 807 00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:47,230 NASA will be involved and part of that 808 00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,820 and I'm trying to be careful you're not 809 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:50,800 getting ass into trouble because there 810 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:54,550 are certain regulations on how much the 811 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:56,380 government can do along with a 812 00:35:01,350 --> 00:34:58,050 commercial company and at the same time 813 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:01,360 the guidance II advise the evaluation is 814 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:05,020 absolutely critical so you know and I 815 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:08,440 might love that when you're away it's 816 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:12,430 all coming see good question for for 817 00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:14,890 this particular essay a NASA will be 818 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:17,380 bringing to the table a number of skill 819 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:19,930 capabilities in which we will offer 820 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:24,640 those 280 k and e ad s in the evaluation 821 00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:27,070 of their Liberty system those systems 822 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:29,500 would include things like structural 823 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:33,100 analysis thermal analysis vibration 824 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:36,210 analysis the hard core engineering 825 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:38,950 capabilities you need to understand how 826 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,370 you're going to take a capability that 827 00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:44,820 were two separate capabilities that is a 828 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:47,620 first stage and another first stage and 829 00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:49,210 put them together in a unique 830 00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:51,880 combination and so nASA has those 831 00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:53,260 capabilities that we can bring to bear 832 00:35:59,310 --> 00:35:57,670 to help check what ATK and EAD s have 833 00:36:01,410 --> 00:35:59,320 been talking about and they're what the 834 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,420 homework they've been doing if they were 835 00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:03,400 like us to do the homework that is they 836 00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,500 would like us to do the analysis then it 837 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,200 gets into a probably an earlier question 838 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:10,480 at that point ATK then comes forward and 839 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:11,860 says they would like NASA to produce 840 00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:13,960 that for them and they pay NASA for that 841 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:16,420 capability when it comes to evaluating 842 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:19,090 their their system their requirements 843 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:21,670 and there are detailed design we can do 844 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:24,430 that as part of the SAA and it's no cost 845 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:28,300 to 280 k we do that in house because for 846 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:31,330 NASA it helps us understand what Liberty 847 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:34,650 system is all about and it also helps in 848 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:38,400 tree specifically ATK and EAD s 849 00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:40,590 understand because we're bringing us 850 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,360 expertise to bear that have worked other 851 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,240 systems like five segments and like 852 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:47,760 other liquid boosters and so we bring 853 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:49,170 all that to bear and that's what we 854 00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:50,850 bring to the agreement during this 855 00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,950 particular time if we did not have an 856 00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:55,380 agreement and ATK wanted to come forward 857 00:37:00,920 --> 00:36:58,620 and talk about these particular analyses 858 00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,930 or these particular products we would 859 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:03,300 have to fit that into our overall plan 860 00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,770 of work that we would have for NASA 861 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:07,320 folks over the next six months to a year 862 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,810 and and we would not have an agreement 863 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:12,000 by which we would give priority to this 864 00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,790 particular capability by having an essay 865 00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:16,980 now it says NASA is stepping up and we 866 00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:19,380 want to make this a priority to take our 867 00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:22,070 resources and use it on those specific 868 00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:24,540 analytical capabilities at ATK would 869 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:33,960 like us look at Joe Baumann the nightly 870 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:36,330 news blog for the deseret news in Salt 871 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:38,910 Lake my question is I have a couple 872 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:40,830 questions first of all will this affect 873 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:44,450 the workforce and Utah a key apk has and 874 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:48,180 secondly what is do we learn that we 875 00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:49,710 don't already know about the performance 876 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:53,940 of these vehicles thank you so the first 877 00:37:59,600 --> 00:37:56,970 answer is Joe yes in Utah Liberty will 878 00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,610 stabilize the existing workforce and and 879 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:01,920 part of what the liberty system does in 880 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:04,170 fact if you look at between our first 881 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:06,630 stage in our second stage there are 882 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:09,170 manufacturing lines that exist today I 883 00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,850 guess the second stage line at this 884 00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:13,800 point in time is busier than the first 885 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:15,540 stage line but they are exist in opening 886 00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:17,970 so we are just leveraging work forces 887 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:22,830 that exist and I just forgot your second 888 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:26,370 question wondering what do you need to 889 00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:29,220 learn about the two different vehicles 890 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,830 that you don't already know oh yes so 891 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:34,200 what we need to learn is although both 892 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:36,330 stages have a lot of flight time and 893 00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:37,980 experience at least that they have 894 00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:40,860 evolved from it has not flown as a 895 00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:43,950 system so integrating a system is a lot 896 00:38:47,099 --> 00:38:46,140 easier said than done so we need to 897 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,109 learn how 898 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:49,680 a system interacts as we put it together 899 00:38:55,289 --> 00:38:53,140 we need to make ensure that the avionics 900 00:38:57,930 --> 00:38:55,299 system the electronics to control the 901 00:38:59,999 --> 00:38:57,940 stack in fact trajectory wise make it go 902 00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:00,009 where it's supposed to go that we fully 903 00:39:04,319 --> 00:39:02,559 appreciate the load stresses and the 904 00:39:07,019 --> 00:39:04,329 environments that this vehicle goes 905 00:39:09,299 --> 00:39:07,029 through as well as we're assembling it 906 00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:09,309 ensure that the quality is there that in 907 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:11,470 fact it is going together as designed 908 00:39:16,499 --> 00:39:13,960 and meets all of the requirements the 909 00:39:18,299 --> 00:39:16,509 safety requirements so even though 910 00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:18,309 they're very mature systems there is a 911 00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,900 lot to learn still Robert Pearlman hi 912 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:28,079 Robert Pearlman with collectspace.com 913 00:39:32,789 --> 00:39:31,210 just to clarify the Space Act agreement 914 00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:32,799 address or enable the use of space 915 00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:34,869 shuttle flowing solid rocket motor 916 00:39:39,749 --> 00:39:37,869 hardware cases of the segments for 917 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:39,759 liberty as a commercial launch vehicle 918 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:41,710 or if not as those components already 919 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:44,890 belong to a DK are there SRM related 920 00:39:51,299 --> 00:39:47,529 hardware that belongs to NASA is that 921 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,309 this agreement affords a PK to use of so 922 00:39:55,289 --> 00:39:53,680 great question this space act agreement 923 00:39:57,089 --> 00:39:55,299 actually is an agreement with the 924 00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:57,099 Commercial Crew folks and it's 925 00:40:02,940 --> 00:39:59,470 independent of a similar agreement that 926 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:02,950 in fact we do need and plan on using to 927 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:05,890 leverage the rsr arm hardware through a 928 00:40:09,989 --> 00:40:08,230 different agreement one of those a Space 929 00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:09,999 Act agreement to in fact utilize that 930 00:40:16,589 --> 00:40:12,670 our SRM hardware but again it is not 931 00:40:19,789 --> 00:40:16,599 this specific space act agreement Robert 932 00:40:25,289 --> 00:40:19,799 do you have a follow-up okay thank you 933 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:25,299 Dan Leone yeah I this will be a question 934 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:27,910 for ed I guess you mentioned somebody 935 00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:29,980 mentioned earlier that all of these 936 00:40:33,029 --> 00:40:31,180 wonderful things we're talking about 937 00:40:35,549 --> 00:40:33,039 today are contingent on the funding 938 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,559 picture just for clarity should I 939 00:40:39,809 --> 00:40:38,079 interpret that to mean that you all are 940 00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,819 planning this out including the upcoming 941 00:40:43,979 --> 00:40:42,400 integrated design that's going to be the 942 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:43,989 next commercial crew thing you all 943 00:40:49,019 --> 00:40:45,910 anticipating doing you're planning based 944 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:49,029 on the 2012 request of 850 million if we 945 00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:51,430 come in below that should we expect to 946 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:02,530 etsy this is ed let's see yeah our 947 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:04,760 planning is based on the president's 948 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:07,880 proposal that he gives to Congress every 949 00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:11,000 year and so we look at that proposal and 950 00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:13,540 we and we build a program around that 951 00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:16,220 that is not to say that we look at all 952 00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:17,900 kinds of information and try to figure 953 00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,150 out how and how we would react to 954 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:22,940 various capabilities if the numbers are 955 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:25,850 less or more I will tell you in order to 956 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:27,860 get a capability to the Earth orbit by 957 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,740 the middle of the decade and in order to 958 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:33,410 have that with competition we need a 959 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:35,990 robust budget capability in order to 960 00:41:41,470 --> 00:41:38,810 make Commercial Crew work and and work 961 00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:41,480 safely if we don't have enough funds 962 00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:43,940 then you're going to either stretch out 963 00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:46,070 the schedule or you're going to make it 964 00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:48,680 less safe and i can tell you myself and 965 00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:51,080 the program is not against making us 966 00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:53,180 safe at all so we will make it as safe 967 00:41:57,310 --> 00:41:55,640 as it needs to that means we may not get 968 00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:57,320 there by the middle of the decade and if 969 00:42:02,080 --> 00:41:58,460 you don't get there by the middle of the 970 00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:02,090 decade normal program that takes longer 971 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:03,590 than it's expected will end up costing 972 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:06,110 more money because you're you're keeping 973 00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,270 the workforce that you have in place 974 00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:10,160 around longer in order to finish the 975 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:12,140 work that you have to get done and so 976 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:15,470 our plan is pretty solid and it does 977 00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,970 match with what has been requested from 978 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:22,340 the executive branch of the government 979 00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,890 and so that's what we build our plans to 980 00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:27,200 and by having a robust capability we 981 00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:29,270 will be able to get something in orbit 982 00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:33,710 that is a focused on a u.s. system by 983 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:36,800 the middle of the decade next on the 984 00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:49,390 okay Kenneth Chang hi thank you had two 985 00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:52,340 questions for add mango one is how many 986 00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:54,100 NASA people will be working on this and 987 00:42:59,020 --> 00:42:56,510 the second question is does this play 988 00:43:02,770 --> 00:42:59,030 into a larger strategy or a NASA human 989 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:02,780 spaceflight meaning that it seems like 990 00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:04,370 it'd be a really smart thing to do if 991 00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:06,320 you're looking to reduce the cost of 992 00:43:09,850 --> 00:43:08,120 boosters for the Space Launch System or 993 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:09,860 maybe even a gateway for getting 994 00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:12,170 international cooperation well with this 995 00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:14,180 decision just simply in the context of 996 00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:18,590 Commercial Crew see the first question 997 00:43:24,910 --> 00:43:21,950 how big is the NASA team the detailed 998 00:43:27,310 --> 00:43:24,920 NASA team is approximately a dozen to 999 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:27,320 two dozen folks and that will be pretty 1000 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:29,570 much full time on this effort they will 1001 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:31,610 then be able to reach back and we call 1002 00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:33,950 that our part of our insight team our 1003 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:35,870 insight team will probably be a new 1004 00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:39,410 order of 50 individuals but not all will 1005 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:42,020 be full time as we work through the next 1006 00:43:47,580 --> 00:43:43,730 nine months and do this in valuation 1007 00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:47,590 with 80 k and e ad s in terms of our 1008 00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:50,390 purpose our purpose is for commercial 1009 00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:53,720 crew which is to create a capability for 1010 00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,870 low Earth orbit the rules that we are 1011 00:43:59,890 --> 00:43:58,400 trying to follow and the rules that we 1012 00:44:03,550 --> 00:43:59,900 would like to engage on as we want an 1013 00:44:06,580 --> 00:44:03,560 American leadership system and by having 1014 00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:06,590 an 80 k and e ad s system we believe 1015 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:08,390 that that matches the requirements that 1016 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:10,270 that we would like an American 1017 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:13,250 leadership system in order to go into 1018 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:15,710 low-earth orbit at the same point I 1019 00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:19,810 can't tell you how I think it's great 1020 00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:23,480 from a national capability for the 1021 00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:25,190 United States to reach out to its 1022 00:44:29,530 --> 00:44:26,630 international partners because when 1023 00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:29,540 you're on orbit you know there's no 1024 00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:31,700 lines between the countries it's it's a 1025 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:33,620 planet and so let's use the best 1026 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:35,450 capabilities we have in the planet in 1027 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:37,490 order to put together our system and I 1028 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,370 think that's what ATK and AES is trying 1029 00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:42,560 to propose to us so I welcome that kind 1030 00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:46,040 of partnership Kenneth do you have a 1031 00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:48,620 follow-up question for mrs. Schumacher 1032 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:52,220 has a stream started work on air 1033 00:45:00,580 --> 00:44:58,960 there is a series of activities that 1034 00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:00,590 were gone since almost a year now I 1035 00:45:06,610 --> 00:45:03,230 guess Kent with looking at as ken said 1036 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:06,620 adapting that the both of the vulcain 1037 00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:09,290 the if I could area in five core stage 1038 00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,660 as a second stage air start and some 1039 00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,040 other aspects of that as well as 1040 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:14,990 integration with the five segments solid 1041 00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,810 so that discussion and some preliminary 1042 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:20,720 work has gone on and has gone in 1043 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:28,360 we'll take our last questions on the 1044 00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:37,720 okay well hug mark did you have 1045 00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:43,190 questions okay we'll come back here to 1046 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:44,660 your Kennedy to take some follow-up Todd 1047 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:52,510 todd halvorson of florida today and i 1048 00:45:59,830 --> 00:45:56,690 actually have to would would this launch 1049 00:46:03,790 --> 00:45:59,840 vehicle be capable of launching the 1050 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,800 Orion spacecraft as envisioned now and 1051 00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:06,560 for ed I was wondering if you could kind 1052 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:10,070 of walk us through what the next step is 1053 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,510 after CC Deb to how much money you 1054 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:16,880 anticipate having for a third round of 1055 00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:21,770 investment and what that whole stage 1056 00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:26,180 would look like so yeah I'll take the 1057 00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:28,820 first question you right now we left 1058 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:32,540 over 44,000 pounds so no Ryan lite 1059 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:34,370 version to go to the space station the 1060 00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:36,290 tot is yes we have the performance for 1061 00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:39,230 that if you want to launch the beyond 1062 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:43,340 Leo version with a couple of you know 1063 00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:45,170 call it tweaks but one of our challenges 1064 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:47,870 on Liberty has been because we're 1065 00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:49,250 commercial and we're trying to get to 1066 00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:51,590 market is inexpensively and as quickly 1067 00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:54,710 as possible we are passing up a number 1068 00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:56,390 of performance enhancements that we 1069 00:47:01,120 --> 00:46:58,970 right now we just don't need but there 1070 00:47:03,370 --> 00:47:01,130 are you know from the expansion ratio on 1071 00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:03,380 the the nozzle to pull in some inert 1072 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:05,030 weight out of the upper stage because we 1073 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:07,250 initially made it beefy just to make it 1074 00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:09,970 much quicker and easier to get to market 1075 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:14,080 the long answer is yes we can lift 1076 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:17,510 beyond leo Orion as well with a few 1077 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:19,730 performance enhancements that are all 1078 00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,650 that sophisticated it's the in terms of 1079 00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:27,200 the overall plan I think we we did 1080 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,990 address that a couple months ago so I'll 1081 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:31,880 try to summarize it here and we in the 1082 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:33,950 near term will be having more discussion 1083 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:36,530 with industry and with the public about 1084 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:38,330 what our future plans are for the 1085 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:40,970 program CC debt you know it's a it's a 1086 00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:43,010 hybrid kind of approach in which CC dev 1087 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:45,110 one and two were really focused on 1088 00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:47,690 moving forward the capabilities of 1089 00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,560 partners of contractors or of industry 1090 00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:53,990 moving those capabilities forward as 1091 00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:56,270 quickly as possible and then we won't 1092 00:48:01,810 --> 00:47:58,250 help them do that NASA would help with 1093 00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:01,820 our funded SaaS and our unfunded essays 1094 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,790 help with our expertise that's these two 1095 00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:06,530 phases the next phase is really want to 1096 00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:08,870 get into integrated design capabilities 1097 00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,110 we need to match spacecraft with the 1098 00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,240 launch vehicle with a ground system or a 1099 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:16,160 launch system as well as with the 1100 00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:19,250 on-orbit capability to work on low Earth 1101 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:21,620 orbit our set of requirements that are 1102 00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:24,890 on the table today are out publicly and 1103 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:26,540 folks can look at them are really 1104 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:29,510 related towards our primary mission from 1105 00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:32,450 a NASA standpoint which is to get a crew 1106 00:48:36,310 --> 00:48:34,340 for crew the International Space Station 1107 00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:36,320 by the middle of the decade and so 1108 00:48:41,590 --> 00:48:38,840 that's the next phase is an integrated 1109 00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:41,600 design phase the following phase is our 1110 00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:43,460 certification phase now we have an 1111 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:46,520 integrated design both NASA and our 1112 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,670 partners have agreed to that design we 1113 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:51,380 sign up the debt design we sign up the 1114 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:52,910 how we're going to go do certification 1115 00:48:57,310 --> 00:48:55,490 with the net design and then that that 1116 00:49:00,190 --> 00:48:57,320 fourth day is really is that 1117 00:49:01,570 --> 00:49:00,200 certification process that phase will 1118 00:49:05,350 --> 00:49:01,580 last quite some time because 1119 00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:05,360 certification against the human rating 1120 00:49:09,550 --> 00:49:07,100 certification requirements we have on 1121 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:09,560 the table today is quite extensive we 1122 00:49:14,290 --> 00:49:12,050 have to make sure the system is safe and 1123 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:14,300 can perform and once it does that then 1124 00:49:19,210 --> 00:49:15,890 we'll enter the next phase which 1125 00:49:21,279 --> 00:49:19,220 our services phase for ISS that services 1126 00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,289 phase is we hope to be by the middle of 1127 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:23,599 the decade and will basically include at 1128 00:49:28,329 --> 00:49:25,970 least two flights a year on rotations 1129 00:49:30,339 --> 00:49:28,339 about every six months you know the 1130 00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:30,349 Commercial Crew program has two focuses 1131 00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:32,029 the first is our capability get the 1132 00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:34,609 international space station with an 1133 00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:36,230 american-made system or american-led 1134 00:49:43,569 --> 00:49:40,640 system the second is to encourage the 1135 00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:43,579 capability of commercial systems for 1136 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:46,339 other purposes in low-earth orbit and so 1137 00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:49,250 we our goal and within the program is to 1138 00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:51,619 facilitate both with the priority being 1139 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:53,420 we need to figure out how to get the ISS 1140 00:50:03,370 --> 00:49:56,450 with a american-led system as soon as we 1141 00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:03,380 can Irene for Kent what's the size of 1142 00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:07,400 the ATK and EAD s a workforce on Liberty 1143 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:12,500 oh gosh if you look at the folks that we 1144 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:14,690 have working on Liberty and pulling on 1145 00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:20,690 the combined size is probably around 35 1146 00:50:27,549 --> 00:50:25,400 folks 35 to 40 do you have is there a 1147 00:50:30,849 --> 00:50:27,559 business case without commercial crew 1148 00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:30,859 without NASA the there there is a 1149 00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:33,549 business case it's not as strong and so 1150 00:50:41,859 --> 00:50:39,500 Liberty actually it's a very good leo 1151 00:50:44,109 --> 00:50:41,869 vehicle for this kind of performance so 1152 00:50:47,849 --> 00:50:44,119 if you look at NASA between crew and 1153 00:50:51,249 --> 00:50:47,859 cargo Liberty fits into that very well 1154 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,259 for an example by cliff into a TV as a 1155 00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:53,930 transfer resupply vehicle Liberty fits 1156 00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:55,880 into that quarter category as well 1157 00:51:02,559 --> 00:50:58,880 having said that there absolutely is a 1158 00:51:04,779 --> 00:51:02,569 very strong pull for the satellite world 1159 00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:04,789 particularly US government satellite 1160 00:51:12,059 --> 00:51:07,910 world as well that we believe offers a 1161 00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:12,069 more robust business case Jason Jason 1162 00:51:16,569 --> 00:51:14,839 Ryan for America's based on org and I 1163 00:51:18,099 --> 00:51:16,579 see me playing second fiddle to Todd 1164 00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:18,109 today because my question kind of comes 1165 00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:20,990 off of his again I noted one an 1166 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,400 illustration that ATK Liberty was shown 1167 00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:27,920 launching cst-100 which is by Boeing 1168 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:29,540 dreamchaser which is by sierra nevada 1169 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:31,250 you got your Ryan light which is by 1170 00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:32,930 Lockheed Martin and I guess my question 1171 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:35,390 is more of a technical one is is ATK 1172 00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:37,430 developing like a universal mating 1173 00:51:42,010 --> 00:51:39,380 adapter or maybe a pair of adapters that 1174 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:42,020 could attach a different space crafts at 1175 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:44,330 the top of liberty thank you yeah the 1176 00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:46,370 quick answer is yes who absolutely with 1177 00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:49,700 a universal space adapter and I think if 1178 00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:52,630 you look in a guest space X aside but 1179 00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:54,920 everybody and dream chaser is a little 1180 00:51:59,110 --> 00:51:56,420 bit unique as well being the winged 1181 00:52:01,420 --> 00:51:59,120 vehicle but for capsules I think the 1182 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:01,430 goal amongst all of us competing and 1183 00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:02,930 commercial cruise in fact to have a 1184 00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:05,600 common interface because it's through a 1185 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:08,510 common interface that we can be very 1186 00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:11,930 efficient with who who fits on top 1187 00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:15,230 without exorbitant amount of costs to 1188 00:52:20,650 --> 00:52:18,380 have each one is a unique design so the 1189 00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:20,660 answer is yes so common interfaces the 1190 00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:23,510 design concept will take one last 1191 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:26,960 question from Jay excuse me Jay barberry 1192 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:31,010 with NBC can't you mention hardware here 1193 00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:33,170 in the next few months its Hardware on 1194 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:36,470 its way what will you be doing for this 1195 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:39,410 first phase here testing and carrying on 1196 00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:42,670 and can you envision any scenario where 1197 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:46,280 some European contract might be 1198 00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:47,930 interested I know they have area on 1199 00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:50,390 doing a great job but is there any way 1200 00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:52,460 that possibly Europe might come into 1201 00:53:00,580 --> 00:52:56,000 this ISA fly some manned spacecraft from 1202 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:00,590 here so you know I'm looking at shoes 1203 00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:04,510 for help on that one yeah Clinton I 1204 00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:07,430 we're really focused on right now Jay is 1205 00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:10,190 is this torsional career development 1206 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:12,920 with NASA US market that type of thing 1207 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:14,930 and bringing that capability here and as 1208 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:17,450 Ken talked to earlier use the tremendous 1209 00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:19,970 human spaceflight capability that's here 1210 00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:21,800 as Kennedy and go next gen on that so 1211 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:26,340 that's really the focus now let's go 1212 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:28,890 the next few months yeah so in the next 1213 00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,490 few months it's right now it's paper it 1214 00:53:36,530 --> 00:53:35,220 is paper so as we're working towards you 1215 00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:36,540 know once we get to critical design 1216 00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:39,230 review then we start on the hardware 1217 00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:42,230 haven't seen that we do have an 1218 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:45,540 electronics lab avionics lab and that 1219 00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:47,370 does involve hardware and so we do have 1220 00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:49,320 hardware and systems running there but 1221 00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,180 there are in our laboratories our 1222 00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:53,460 development laboratories back in Utah in 1223 00:53:59,480 --> 00:53:55,710 kind of other places around the nation 1224 00:54:03,110 --> 00:53:59,490 including EAD s as far as Florida's 1225 00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,120 concerned no you know not for for 1226 00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:05,400 certainly not within the next year would 1227 00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:11,070 there be hard we're headed in here and 1228 00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:12,900 also the one other thing I'd touch on 1229 00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:15,510 too because again the focus is 1230 00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:16,860 Commercial Crew development that's very 1231 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:19,020 but as Ken talked about earlier as you 1232 00:54:21,830 --> 00:54:20,040 talk about some of the cargo 1233 00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:21,840 applications for example etv 1234 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:24,900 possibilities and things like that again 1235 00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:26,730 there's lots of possibilities as we get 1236 00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,310 rolling in this this work the unfunded 1237 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:31,200 Space Act looks us get further along 1238 00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:35,730 looking at all those options that will 1239 00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:38,700 conclude today's NASA ATK commercial 1240 00:54:41,810 --> 00:54:40,350 partnership announcement for more 1241 00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:41,820 information on NASA's Commercial Crew